Curse

Gli · Mar 19, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

/unsigned

I get plenty of loot, solo. Without lootscaling I'd make 50k an hour just selling to a merchant. 50k that wouldn't be worth anything.

Roo Ella · Mar 19, 2008, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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I miss the old fun of farming for something I really wan't and when lootscalling came in it made it even harder
for the "average player" just so they could try and stop bots
WELL it didn't work did it? was just as many running around even lately in Shing Jea all the eles.
Now there trying this RTM thingy lets hope this is sucesfull I hope it is and they change Lootscaling.

Jetdoc · Mar 19, 2008, 09:46 PM // 21:46

I highly doubt the new "policy" will do anything to deter gold sellers. As a result, I'm pretty sure any hopes of removing loot scaling are just those...hopes.

fog_of_redoubt · Mar 19, 2008, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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To all of you saying LS is better for new players I say BS. Prove it. I have.

I have been playing on my Primary account since the beta weekends. I have my inventory full 1000k and 12 character slots full 100k. I dont "need" any money. Dont really buy vanity weapons or armor ... And I still farm because it is what I like to do.

But just for grins, and taking advantage of CompUSA going out of business sale and Targets 9.99 EotN. I have started a new secondary account. I have not tranfered ANY money, runes, mods, weapons, insignias, etc. I have 5 characters that are between lvl 10-14. I have not bought ANYTHING other than ident and salvage kits.

I have not been able to buy armor/runes/insignias to properly equip myself. I was able to go to EotN (at lvl 10), to grab some lvl 20 Heros to use instead of Henchies, and I cant equip them with runes and insignias.

The point is, that the game IS NOT FUN like this. I have played it when money was easy to make, and with my primary account I dont need money, so it contimues to be somewhat fun.

But my Secondary account is like any other "new" player. It just isnt fun to have to scrape by... To not be able to afford an energy storage minor for your Ele, or not be able to afford a minor Vig for your Warrior.

So you can say all you want that this is better for the "new" players, but I call BS. I am playing both extremes, and it isn't better at all.

Nightow · Mar 19, 2008, 09:51 PM // 21:51

LS came, bots still existed.

Give this new update a month or two and I would not be surprised to see bots still roaming in GW1. Maybe less bots, yes but bots none the less.

As most EULA abiding players would agree, bots are bad period but they are like cockroaches. As long as there is still interest in GW1, there will be bots.

reetkever · Mar 19, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Lootscaling has no point other to keep the bots (and players) from getting cash.

Now that there are no more bots, the whole purpose of the scaling is gone (Except for players becoming rich... So what if that happens?)

I have never supported the lootscaling and now that it's purpose is gone it should really go in my opinion.

So, /signed.

Fril Estelin · Mar 19, 2008, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

You really think 80-90% of gold sites are going to be out of business?

No, but the hope is that they don;t want to make business in GW because it's not rentable for them. These guys want to make loads of money very fast, put obstacles in the middle and they'll think twice before putting money to bypass them.

And to those that suggest "LS shall stay and people should farm ... like I do". I hope you realise that there are other ways to play the game than farming, but they're not "rentable" (so to say) because of LS.

CyberMesh0 · Mar 19, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by Nightow

LS came, bots exploded.

Corrected it for you. Anet shot themselves in the foot, like I mentioned elsewhere. If lazy people don't have an easy way to make gold, they turn to the gold companies. Earning gold took longer, so the gold companies bought more bot accounts, and needed to raise the price of gold. More people buy gold now too- so either way, the gold companies win.

mr_groovy · Mar 19, 2008, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Gli

/unsigned

I get plenty of loot, solo. Without lootscaling I'd make 50k an hour just selling to a merchant. 50k that wouldn't be worth anything.

Not worth anything? Tired of repeating myself and others but:

1 Normal armor + Elite armor have a fixed price.
2 Skill points are 1K each.
3 Consumables have a fixed price.
4 Runes + Insignia's now have a steady price (And this will only change drastically if new armor is added to the game, which is highly wishful thinking).

As because of the sudden influx Rare items becoming more expensive. Most people all ready have all the rare items they want, and the market is flooded with perfect rares. This is doubtfull to rise soon. Only the High ballers will perhaps see an increase in prices. (Rare mini's, Zaishen Chest drops, HOH drops)

Fay Vert · Mar 19, 2008, 10:07 PM // 22:07

260 posts in 1/2 a day.

Drop the loot nerf

Nuff said

Clarissa F · Mar 19, 2008, 10:07 PM // 22:07

Let's see how this reduces the bots. Do you really think the people who program the bots are dumb enough not to adapt? They'll find another end route and get their gold. Anet is just keeping up in the fight against bots. Neither this nor any other method is going to stop gold farming bots, or even cut them down 80%.

/unsigned. I can see it now. After a month of no loot scaling: "WTS purple 15^50 12 Marks ivory bow.... 50k." A bit extreme, but you get the idea.

Gli · Mar 19, 2008, 10:07 PM // 22:07

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

And to those that suggest "LS shall stay and people should farm ... like I do". I hope you realise that there are other ways to play the game than farming, but they're not "rentable" (so to say) because of LS.

Which other ways to play are you talking about and how are they affected by lootscaling? Not trying to be a wise-ass here, I'm really only familiar with 2 basic ways to play: 1) 'normal' full party play, which is unaffected by lootscaling and 2) farming, which works perfectly fine if you ask me.

JeniM · Mar 19, 2008, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by CyberMesh0

Corrected it for you. Anet shot themselves in the foot, like I mentioned elsewhere. If lazy people don't have an easy way to make gold, they turn to the gold companies. Earning gold took longer, so the gold companies bought more bot accounts, and needed to raise the price of gold. More people buy gold now too- so either way, the gold companies win.

This is totally true. How was making gold harder to farm supposed to stop people buying from gold sites? People can only farm for limited time whereas bots can farm 24/7

Personally i think Anet got a cut off the gold selling sites for the loots scaling deal

Nevin · Mar 19, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

/signed

For an altered form of loot scaling which can benefit the modest gamer.

Fril Estelin · Mar 19, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Gli

Which other ways to play are you talking about and how are they affected by lootscaling? Not trying to be a wise-ass here, I'm really only familiar with 2 basic ways to play: 1) 'normal' full party play, which is unaffected by lootscaling and 2) farming, which works perfectly fine if you ask me.

I was more thinking of "playing the game", following the storyline (for the Nth time of course), completing missions, bonuses and quests, exploring areas, etc. I guess it's somewhere in-between the 1) and 2) you propose,

Gli · Mar 19, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by mr_groovy

Not worth anything? Tired of repeating myself and others but:

1 Normal armor + Elite armor have a fixed price.
2 Skill points are 1K each.
3 Consumables have a fixed price.
4 Runes + Insignia's now have a steady price (And this will only change drastically if new armor is added to the game, which is highly wishful thinking).

Yes... fixed prices which seem perfectly fine to me in the light of how lootscaling works.

It's you who doesn't get it. If I make 50k per hour, that gold wouldn't be worth anything because I can't even spend it on those things you mention. A person only needs so many armors, skill points, consumables or runes. (Or none at all in the case of consumables, meh.) If I could buy an elite armor every 2 hours, what the hell do I do after I got them all?

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 19, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Remove Loot Scaling > Easy Gold For Players > No Need For Bots > Much Less Gold Selling

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Originally Posted by Clarissa F

I can see it now. After a month of no loot scaling: "WTS purple 15^50 12 Marks ivory bow.... 50k." A bit extreme, but you get the idea.

Who cares? Elite Armour will still cost the same and so be easier to get.

As for getting max items, maybe more people will be encouraged to buy the BMP, which means more business for ArenaNet. But no loot scaling would mean more items anyways, so max golds would be easier to get just by farming.

Diddy bow · Mar 19, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

Yep is needs to go, A-net didnt realise loot scaleng was a god send for the old bots, im sure you can understand why...

JeniM · Mar 19, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Nevin

/signed

For an altered form of loot scaling which can benefit the modest gamer.

Anything that means i can have a life, go to Uni, work AND play GW's. I used to log on for a couple of hours when i had no other work and mates were busy and play a couple of areas till i noticed i had nothing more afterward than before. Whats the point in playing then?

(For people that are about to say "for fun, why else would you play a game" the answers here to save space; When I play a game I like to progress through it, once you hit level 20 the only progress you can make is in the gold you make and the titles you get. Loot scaling removes this progress and thus my motivation to play)

Nightow · Mar 19, 2008, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

I was more thinking of "playing the game", following the storyline (for the Nth time of course)

Not for nothing but who really wants to complete prophecies or factions for the 100th time? I know I sure don't!

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Originally Posted by Fril Estelin

completing missions, bonuses and quests, exploring areas, etc.

You might get lucky every once in while by doing that but some players are looking for a more steady income of plat. which would most likely not be met by doing what you stated.